Archive for August, 2013

In the forty-seventh World of Warcraft podcast episode, we’ve got super big plans and lofty goals before patch 5.4 drops, Molsan steals Lei Shen’s thunder — and his hat — and completes ToT; Sláinte tanks LFR and almost gets kicked from a group for the first time; we wonder why PvP is part of the legendary quest line; we tally up our slash played for our Thirty Weeks of WoW; we hit you with some quick TSM operations tips; we remind you to charge your battery before you attend Blizzcon; and we ask the party for help when running a heroic scenario for the first time.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

5.4 coming September 10th

Any goals before 5.4? Make some gold? Grind some JPs? Finish ToT? OH WAIT.

Stole Lei Shen’s Thunder

All raid content complete and his helm is mine!


What the What?

Call from Ahrag

PvP’ing for Legendary Quest… WHY?!?

TWoWoW Week 26 Your /played

Sláinte (92d 18h)

180d 12h 30m total

Molsan (91 days-ish)

Top 5 chars /played

Top 3 servers /played

Total /played








/played is 108 days, 6 hours across all toons.

This is probably less than most of you old-timers, but it’s a pretty scarry account of all the sleep that I’ve lost since my beginning in 4.1.


Numbers are scary, but they don’t really tell the full story. I’m sure you guys are like me, and have days, weeks or months of AFK time at the Auction House!

Or similar amounts of time watching for the TLP out of the corner of your eye. Well, not Slainte – lucky bastard guy!

Anywho, for what it’s worth, here are my crazy silly stats for both accounts. It excludes realms that I just have a couple of lowbies that I didn’t spend much time on. And of course,

alot of the time, I’m logged into both accounts at the same time.

Quick catchup – Fav Cata dungeon is Throne of the Tides (many of the others had mechanics that were very pug unfriendly). Least fav profession – First Aid ; though I’d prefer they buff or enhance it rather than take it away.

TWoWoW Week 27  – A time you made friends with someone in a group?

TSM 2.X Talk with @Molsan

Living Steel and Titanium Bar operations

Email from Abbish: TSM allows multiple operations on an item. For example, you can mail one alt a set number of Trillium Bars and then the excess go to another character.

Whitelist your friends! Under Operations -> Auctioning -> Whitelist

Bitter and Salty FFL

Are we allowed to talk about this?

How did the draft go?

Call from Juuno

Utgarde Keep Dungeon Tale

Challenge Dungeon and Heroic Scenario

Challenge Dungeon… Can I tank it, or do I NEED to DPS?



Call from Mystery Man

Tier 3 correction and more mouseover tips

Email from Jerome

Mrs. Salty reading the intro

Perfect. Absolutely perfect. Keep it up!

Sláinte’s Blizzcon Tip #7

Battery Charging!


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
Molsan Method:


In the forty-sixth World of Warcraft podcast episode, the Vale goes away in patch 5.4 and it makes us feel; we proclaim the Death Knight as the new main and tank all the LFRs; we study greatness as Sláinte explains all the things Holy Paladin, macros, and the Nostromo; we reveal our least favorite profession for our thirty weeks of WoW; Molsan finally gets his blue dragon; and we want you to smile when you attend Blizzcon 2013.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

Patch 5.4 Trailer

The Vale going away

Garrosh DESTROYS it, how does that make you feel?

Greatest WoW trailer evar?

DK is the new main… main focus

Tillering,Cooking,Dailying,Ignoting and FISHING!

Maybe buying Nat’s Fishing Journal (+50 skill up to 600)


LFR Tanking, the Molsan Method way! (Watching YouTube strats while fight is going on)

Holy Pally Macros and More

Email from Abbish

I’ll elaborate on my question after giving a little background.

I played WoW from mid Wrath to mid Cata and then took a break and just came back to MoP. I’ve always played a paladin as my main but have always tanked. My raid group of friends recently convinced me to come back, but they needed me in a healer role. I leveled and geared up as quickly as I could much as I’ve done in the past (more on that later). Since healing is quite different from dps and tanking I’m feeling a bit lost on how to setup my keys.

After looking around and talking with our other healers I realized people either click to select raid members and then hit keys or bind mouse over macros and use some sort of key combination while hovering over the raid frame. I believe most healers prefer and recommend the mouse over method so that’s what I went with.

I have a Naga with 7 of 12 usable buttons on the side (I have big hands and can’t contort to hit the others) and a Nostromo (which I’m still getting used to) on which I can use almost every button comfortably. I then went through the spells I’ve been using and those I think might come in handy and grouped them up.

Mouse Over Targeted – Main Usage: Holy Shock, Holy Light, Divine Light, Flash of Light, Holy Radiance, Eternal Flame, Cleanse

Mouse Over Targeted – Support Type: Hand of Purity, Hand of Freedom, Hand of Salvation, Hand of Sacrifice, Hand of Protection, Lay on Hands

Non-Targeted – Main Usage: Light’s Hammer, Light of Dawn, Divine Plea, Divine Protection, Divine Shield, Crusader Strike

Non-Targeted – Support Type: Devotion Aura, Avenging Wrath, Holy Avenger, Divine Favor, Guardian of the Ancient King

So my thought was to bind each group separately to the Naga buttons using the Nostromo button as a modifier. So the way this works is I can cast group 1 with the Naga and no modifier, group 2 with Naga + Nostormo 06 bound to control, etc.

I end up with all 4 groups bound to key combinations of the Nostromo and Naga and I just have to learn which is which. In game I’ve tried just about every raid frame addon and I kind of like Grid + Clique the best so far with Vuhdo a close second. I think I ended up where you were going in your Tweets to me.

Now to my questions.

Does this sound like a good setup? I hear people talk about their favorite raid frames all the time, but no one explains how they use it, what’s connected to it, what keys they are hitting and why, etc.

How do you move? I’ve bound the Nostromo thumb pad to wasd (with strafe not turn) but it feels very slow and clunky. I primarily used the mouse + both mouse buttons to move before with wasd used just a bit in combat for minor adjustments. But if I use my mouse to move I have to take the pointer off the raid frames which means I can’t cast anymore. When I need to cast again I have to find the cursor on the screen, which isn’t easy in some fights, and get it back to the raid frame meaning I’ve stopped moving again. So I tend to stand in a single spot, cast cast cast, move with the mouse – no casting – to find a new spot, then find my cursor and start casting again. In high movement fights I tend to have low hps. Is that just the way paladins are? Is there a good binding setup for Holy Shock/Light of Dawn so I can at least cast something on the move?

Week 25 TWoWoW Least Favorite Profession

Molsan – FIRST AID

Sláinte – Inscription


Juuno – Archy

Strumpet – Inscription

Tansattia – LW

Jellad – Feeshing

Mystery Man – Drool Crapping



I was so excited about the TSM info that I forgot about the 30 weeks!

First Aid.

At least you can collect usless stuff with archaeology.

Third time’s a charm, right?

After thinking about this for a bit, I’d like to change my answer to Archaeology.  The question is “least favorite” not “least useful”.  At least I can ignore First Aid.

I’m not sure what I was thinking to say that a basically useless profession, First Aid, is worse than the grind to get a Crawling Claw.  I think, possibly, that I have a memory blockage caused by the trauma from digging for it.

— Professor “just buy a Sandstone Drake on the AH” Baloku




Oh. Um…geez, I don’t know. I guess inscription because it causes Molsan so much consternation.

Week 26 TWoWoW Your /played value


Yes!! Thank you to the Strumpets

Call from Strumpet

Email from Baloku

Loved the info on the new TSM, thanks.

A question about Battle Pets with TSM: how do I query a market value for them?

The undermine journal has good info for pets:

…quality and breeds and levels oh my!?

Is there is a way to have TSM price my pets intellegently.


Blizzcon Tip #6

Smile more and give everyone a hug. No room for H8rs.

… and Molsan says: Smile for pictures! We will be there with our Canons!!


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
Molsan Method:


In the forty-fifth World of Warcraft podcast episode, we make appointments for patch 5.4 and the next expansion, the Dark Below. We cover the release of TradeSkillMaster 2.0 and reveal tips and tricks, and explain Groups, Operations, formulas, math, and even a quick and dirty setup to get you started with making gold using the latest version of TSM. We get all wireless with our peripherals, visit some place called “Funder” Island, and address additional WoW etiquette questions. We cover the Thirty Weeks of World of Warcraft’s least favorite dungeon, and we ask that, no matter what, you refrain from jumping in the pool.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

August 27th!!!

Sláinte’s dentist appointment OR 5.4

New Expansion Name Announced!

The Dark Below… Emerald Dream or Burning Legion?

Bank Donations

Thank you ASHAYO!!

TSM 2.0

Change is scary! Nothing works!!


Accounting, Additions, Auctioning, Crafting, Mailing, Shopping, and Warehousing


Create groups as you used to… “Enchanting” or “Cata Gems Rare Uncut”


Module Operations / Options -> Default Operation Tab -> Set to “Post”

Now, create an “operation” to make use of your groups

Scenario 1 – Glyphs

OMG The Formulas!


General Tips

Exit WoW and log in… if WoW crashes, your changes are lost

Use the TSM software… force update, log off/on to WoW to see changes

If you use an addon updater, override TSM UJ and TSM Wowuction to force 2.0+ update

The Quick and the Dirty

Create a global group and a default auction operation

Assign operation to group and you’re done

What Effects will TSM 2.0 Have on the Market?

AH savvy players will make more gold?

Casual gold-makers left out?


Logitech K800 and M510 both work with my KVM!!

Was able to program the M510 buttons just like my G500

Strumpet – Etiquette question

Thunder Island

More like FUNder Island

Mystery Man, Buy Gear VM

TWoWoW Week 24 – Favorite Cataclysm Dungeon

Sláinte – Halls of Origination

Molsan – Lost City of the Tol’vir


St Elsewhere  

I enjoyed what you guys had to say last week regarding player housing. I think it would be really cool to decorate your “home” with in-game trophies, e.g., old gear sets and legendary weapons. I have a similar idea: give players the opportunity to obtain mounts, titles, and gear that is specific to each xpac, e.g., Atiesh, the Amani War Bear, and <Hand of A’dal>. These things don’t give you an advantage in future game play, but from a nostalgic sense they are invaluable. As someone who started playing in 3.1, every time I see a player with the Corrupted Ashbringer I can tell immediately that said player was around during the old days of WoW, saw things that I never will, and probably has a wealth of stories to share. As more “old timers” leave the game, there are fewer examples of xpac-specific gear/mounts/titles. Sadly, that means that new players may never have their curiosity piqued by creative designs of yesteryear.

My favourite Cataclysm dungeon was Well of Eternity. It had fun mechanics and great lore! “Illidan!!! What are you DOING?!!?!”


Mildrid (Earthen Ring) / Svander (Dark Iron)

Favorite Cataclysm Dungeon:

Tomb of the Cybermen in Uldum Highlands.  Love the mechanics on the fight where you have to keep replacing the well fed buff, and the other fight where you have to trigger 5 cut scenes in the correct order.  Also great that they got unmistakable voice acting by Shia LaBeouf for the final boss Twain Mark IV.



Throne of Tides Beautiful and fun.


Still no luck on getting my audio set up — hopefully next week.

In the meantime, here’s three haikus while you wait:

Week 23

Three months without WoW

while sowing my last wild oats

Booze, Broads, Debauch’ry

Week 20

Green Robot Chicken.

Flawless Mechanical Stone…

Why you don’t appear???

Week 14

Dispel! Dispel! GHARRR!

Horridon is HORRIBLE!

Raid teams slowly die…










I kinda hate all dungeons so I’ll pick the one with Raz. Or the Well of Eternity one only cuz I could destroy meters on the last boss. Either one. Whatever.

Singing Sunflower Name revealed!

TWoWoW Week 25 – Your least favorite profession

Call from Jean


Fifth 90! No Quintessential Quintet achieve, though, since I leveled TWO priests. #sadtrombone


Hey BS crew!

First off, let me state that it will be an absolute crime if you don’t name your Singing Sunflower “MolSUN”.  Not only is it a fitting tribute to an awesome co-host and BFF, but also the irony of juxtaposing the sunflower, which is all about renewal and positivity, with Molsan’s generally sardonic outlook on things is pure pet-naming gold.

Also, if you have a disgusting oozeling and fail to name it “Dan Gooey”  I will uninstall WoW, move to Canada, buy a horse and stop bothering people.

On a similar note:  I am somewhat of a pet naming enthusiast, and though I’m humble about it, I can’t deny that I’m kind of a “big deal” on my server.  I tend to give my pets names that reflect either their physical appearance or general abilities.  For example, my Emperor Crab is named “Crabface McPinch” and my Anubisath Idol proudly wears the moniker “Dogface Manbody”  I was recently attempting to name my Kun Lai Runt “Mr Smashy” and I was denied.  Apparently the prefix “Mr.” is used in several popular euphemisms referring to several popular body parts that Blizzard deems sexual in nature.  It didn’t bother me until I remembered that “Mr Wiggles” was one of my Blizzard-named pets.  I submit to you that “Mr. Wiggles” is far more provocative than “Mr. Smashy”.  As a little experiment, I attempted to name my pet biscuit-enhanced chicken “Enourmous Cöck” and was successful.  I swear I don’t know what Blizz is thinking sometimes


Big Steve

<Clan of Darkness>

Earthen Ring US

Strupmet Achievement-VM


Questions about mouse over macros and Naga and Nostormo

I really love listening to the show because it has changed the way I play and the way I feel about the game. Up until a few weeks ago (when I found your show) I tended to race to max level and race to grind gear. I thought that’s what I needed to do and I needed to stay caught up with my raid team even though we are just a casual group of friends who raid twice a week. Once there, as I am now, I tend to just work the AH to make gold. I never experienced the game content outside the raids and heroics. I never cared about lore, secondary professions, achievements, pets, mounts, etc.

Listening to you two discuss the game and how you play has made me interested in those other parts. I thank you for that.


Abbish – Aerie Peak Alliance

iTunes Review

coorslights – Sorry

At first I really enjoyed this podcast, but with the host change, meh, not so much. Not a fan.

Sláinte Blizzcon Tip #5

Don’t jump into the pool… No matter what they are giving away.

Pools are for fools!!


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
Molsan Method:


In the forty-fourth World of Warcraft podcast episode, Blizzard binds epic weapons to your account and if you’re trying to get your character LFR-ready, just buy some gear already. We continue to hold each other accountable while we ponder dungeon and raid chatting etiquette. We try to convince ourselves that it’s better to use and display loot from Blizzcon than to sell it all, we explain why the tank role in LFR is tops, and give the hard sell on why Flex Raiding matters. We talk more hardware: video cards, keyboards, and mice… oh my! We toss out our fourth Blizzcon tip, but not before we determine the longest break we’ve ever taken from WoW for our Thirty Weeks of World of Warcraft.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

Patch 5.4 BoA Epics

Why not make every item in the game BoA?

Should Sláinte buy gear

Chatting Etiquette

Are you allowed to type in chat while in a raid or dungeon because nobody responds during fights

Holding Sláinte Accountable

How is the “Name Sláinte’s Singing Sunflower Pet” contest going?

Rubmabellah Has an Idea (Audio)

Guild Bank Donation / Molsan Method Update

Where are we with this?

Holding Sláinte Accountable II

Murkablo Blizzcon pet card giveaway!! Who won?!?

What We Did with Blizzcon Goodies


LFR Trifecta!

Sláinte has healed, dps and now tanked MSV.

ToT Horridon




Mystery Man Agrees that Flex Raiding is Awful (Audio)


NVidia 650 is awesome… when the fan is not broken

Picked up the Logitech K800… but what about my G15?

Now looking for a wireless gaming mouse… Yes, I said WIRELESS

TWoWoW Week 23 What’s the longest you’ve been away from the game?

Sláinte – 2-3 months


January 2012 – September 2012

Tried playing other games

Participated in s4uc3d

Was SoR’d by none other than… Sláinte






Mystery Man



@JoyPenny of Earthen Ring and Draenor

wk 23: The longest I have gone without playing is a year. I initially started playing on my husband’s account, and he chose to stop his subscription to focus on studying for an exam. (this was all before we were married) Eventually I just couldn’t take it anymore, and so I started my own account. 7 months and 1 marriage later, I was able to use the Scroll of Resurrection to coerce him back into the game.

That being said, I do take a Wowcation  every year when I go into Crafting SweatShop Mode for the holidays. Also whenever anything breaks, I am very quick to boycott until it’s fixed. Maybe that makes me flighty or maybe I’m just a brat, but if the game doesn’t feel right, I just can’t play.

wk 22: First I need to say that I name ALL of my pets. I tend to favor names of past family pets, punny names like Kaity, my Little K.T., and old man names like George, my Blossoming Ancient.

My favorite pet to run with is my Dark Phoenix Hatchling. She’s not my highest level or my best battler or most rare… but she’s the one I Most enjoy hanging out with and seeing. She’s named Cramoisi, which is literally “Crimson” or a Purple hued red.

wk 20: Most sought after loot is the Ashes of Al’ar. I only have it on a Tournament Realm and the pink and orange streamers are my favorite part.

wk 19: Resto Druid, with Misty Monk as a close second. I do NOT Ever play in those weird animal stances with the exception of my purple birdie, Orca for swimming, and Emergency Monster Tree. Even when I have to DPS I am a Sparkly Elf and not a Boomkin. ew. But I am a healer to the core and enjoy all healing classes.

wk 17: Fav Profession is Herbalism on my Druid, and Fishing on everyone else. Herbing is so relaxing, just flying around gathering, never messing with mounts… I love it.

wk 18: yes, everyone is right, it’s the people. But for me in particular, it’s getting to play with my husband. The game is the most fun for me when we are playing together (He Tanks, I heal). And this impact extends into our lives from listening to podcasts together to buying one another things for gaming to just spending time together… Instead of the Spouse Aggro that so many talk about, Warcraft enriches our relationship and provides us with something very special.




Dude, sorry to hear about your back. Also sorry you are recording tonight. My answer for #30WoW: I’ve never taken a break from WoW other than vacations,so I guess my answer is Ethereal Soul Trader

TWoWoW Week 24 – Favorite Cataclysm Dungeon


Sláinte’s Blizzcon Tip #4

Go to ATM early.


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
Molsan Method: