In the sixty-first World of Warcraft podcast episode, we ask Greatfather Winter what we want for Winter’s Veil and what we want is for Sláinte to finally get his legendary cloak, Molsan moves on to level his Goblin Warrior but hates it and wants to race-change to Orc, we need a few more Pandaren to join us so we can get the Stay Classy guild achievement, and we go back in time and learn about all the history of Draenor for our Thirty Weeks of Warlords of Draenor.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

Winter’s Veil is Almost Upon Us

What do you want this Winter’s Veil?


Stay Classy


Organizing the Alts

I want to race change everyone to Orc!!

Loremaster on Warrior… ding 61 and on to Ungoro Craters

TWoWoD Week 3 – History of Draenor

Call from Strumpet

How to pronounce Draenor

Draenor for Dummies

  • Draenor inhabited by the Orcs

  • Draenor had no name, but was populated by the Orcs – a Shamanistic, clan-based society

  • Orcs were peaceful, but disagreed with the Ogres

  • Argus… Planet home of the Eredar

  • Burning Legion targeted the Eredar because of their affinity to magic

  • Three leaders: Archimonde, Kil’jaeden, and Prophet Velen

  • The leaders worked with Sargeras, but Velen knew this would not work

  • Velen left Argus and took many of the Eredar population along with him

  • K’ure, one of the Naaru, told Velen to leave Argus and run from Kil’jaeden

  • K’ure fell ill and their ship crashed into Nagrand

  • K’ure became friends with the spirits of the Orc ancestors and the ship became Oshu’gun

  • The ancestors structured the Orcish religion around K’ure and Oshu’gun became a religious site for the Orcs, but the shamans were unaware of this

  • Velen and the Eredar called themselves “Draeni” which meant “exiled ones” in the eredar language, and called the planet Draenor which meant “exile’s refuge”

  • When they arrived, the surviving Eredar met the Orcs and had a friendly relationship at first

  • While searching for Velen, Kil’jaeden discovered Draenor and all its magic… suitable for supporting him and the army of the Burning Legion

  • Kil’jaeden disguised himself as the deceased mate of Ner’zhul and tricked him and the rest of the Orcs into believing that the Draenei were plotting against the Orcs

  • The Orcs began to attack the Draenei with dark magic that Kil’jaeden taught them

  • Velen sent a courier to speak with Ner’zhul in an attempt to stop the attacks

  • The courier was killed, but Ner’zhul decided to send Durotan to meet with Velen instead

  • During the meeting, Velen revealed the truth behind Oshu’gun and told Durotan that a dying K’ure had been guiding the ancestors

  • These revelations were considered blasphemous and were met with suspicion and great hostility, particularly from Drek’Thar, the Frostwolf Clan shaman

  • Durotan was instructed to bring Velen and his people back to Ner’zhul, but Durotan decided to release them instead

  • As news spread, the Orcs waged war against the Draenei

  • Ner’zhul eventually found out about Kil’jaeden’s deceit, but it was too late

  • Kil’jaeden removed Ner’zhul’s power and took the Warlock, Gul’dan, Ner’zhul’s apprentice, under his wing as Gul’dan’s selfish desire for power made him easy to manipulate

  • Gul’dan manipulated the clans and unified them as the First Horde

  • After proving themselves in battle, the pit lord Mannoroth rewarded the Orcs by giving his blood to the Orc chieftains to drink as proof of their loyalty

Call from Mannoroth

  • The Orcs defiled Velen’s temple which became the Black Temple

  • The Orcs continued to attack the Draenei climaxing in a battle at Shattrath where most of the Draenei were wiped out

  • The few Draenei that remained to fight became tainted and corrupted and mutated into Broken.

  • The Orcs had won.

  • Velen and the surviving Draenei escaped to Zangarmarsh and hid there for quite awhile




Oshu’gun is the diamond mountain in the southwest of Nagrand, currently being harvested by the Consortium and afflicted by Void energies. It was once a sacred place for Orcs, where all the clans gathered twice yearly for the festivals where they would commune with their ancestors.

Three points:

#1 – assuming that this pinnacle of Orc culture existed for a long time, that also means that the race known as Draenei probably arrived on Draenor a long long time ago, during the early days of Orcs’ development.

#2 – what irony! that the Orcs’ ancestor-based culture was facilitated by the Naaru who piloted Oshu’gun. Without this Naaru’s power, the Orcs never could have had direct communication with their ancestors’ spirits.

#3 – I wonder. How will this be handled in Warlords? Will the orcs have abandoned their sacred place? Does Garrosh even know the truth about it? or was he too thick-skulled to ever complete that quest chain in Nagrand? Will we ally with the Naaru within Oshu-gun, rehabilitating him and empowering the Orc ancestors?

Or will it all be forgotten in yet another retcon?

Kangji – The Sha’tar (EU)

Hello & good day to you Bitter & Salty.

I’m a new listening to the show! I must of been living under a rock for the past 50 weeks or so as I have only recently stumbled across your podcast… Gotta say I really enjoy listening to you guys so keep up the awesome work! 😀

Over time the crash site became a revered & scared place with the native Orcs where they would gather to celebrate the spring & autumn festivals each year. It was the Orcs who named place Oshu’gun which is orcish for “Mountain of Spirits”… Unknown to the Orcs there was actually a Naru named K’ure trapped inside & presumably weakened from the crash/impact.

This all took place approximately 200 years before the first war to give you a rough idea of a time line…. Apart from the Draenei fleeing their home world, they embarked on that journey thousands of years ago.

Anyhow I hopes is interesting/informative to you & your listeners, Bye for now.


Hello darlings! And welcome…to history class! Ok, so Draenor was this big ole’ planet, right? And it had all these dudes on it…like big ole’ ogres, the Arakkoa (bird dudes), cute little Sporelings (mushroom dudes), angry ole’ Gronn (like that Gruul dude), Orcs, and some other stuff. Then the Draenei came along & decided no intelligent life really existed there and so they moved in. Then some demons came over and told the Orcs that the Draenei were jerks…BUT we don’t care about that part anymore.

All we really need to know is that before the Draenei got there, nobody wrote anything down (birds don’t have fingers for writing, I guess..hehe) so…yeah, it was just a bunch of pretty strong, illiterate dudes hanging out on a no-name planet, beating each other up and doing other stuff that dudes do, basically. And then the Draenei got there and built some stuff. There ya go! I don’t think this was helpful, but I do hope you’re having a great week!

Great big hugs!


TWoWoD Week 4 – Aggra and Thrall

Call from Lagerhoof – Thirty Weeks of Pet Battles


Hi Guys,

Ahrag from the guild here.

This week I earned the Rated Battle Ground title “Scout” and I hope to move up the ladder in the coming weeks.

I also finished my doctorate in real life. Now I can spend more time in game.

Take it easy.




Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Baby It’s Cold Outside (Instrumental)” by Ameritz Backing Tracks

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