In the forty-sixth World of Warcraft podcast episode, the Vale goes away in patch 5.4 and it makes us feel; we proclaim the Death Knight as the new main and tank all the LFRs; we study greatness as Sláinte explains all the things Holy Paladin, macros, and the Nostromo; we reveal our least favorite profession for our thirty weeks of WoW; Molsan finally gets his blue dragon; and we want you to smile when you attend Blizzcon 2013.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

Patch 5.4 Trailer

The Vale going away

Garrosh DESTROYS it, how does that make you feel?

Greatest WoW trailer evar?

DK is the new main… main focus

Tillering,Cooking,Dailying,Ignoting and FISHING!

Maybe buying Nat’s Fishing Journal (+50 skill up to 600)


LFR Tanking, the Molsan Method way! (Watching YouTube strats while fight is going on)

Holy Pally Macros and More

Email from Abbish

I’ll elaborate on my question after giving a little background.

I played WoW from mid Wrath to mid Cata and then took a break and just came back to MoP. I’ve always played a paladin as my main but have always tanked. My raid group of friends recently convinced me to come back, but they needed me in a healer role. I leveled and geared up as quickly as I could much as I’ve done in the past (more on that later). Since healing is quite different from dps and tanking I’m feeling a bit lost on how to setup my keys.

After looking around and talking with our other healers I realized people either click to select raid members and then hit keys or bind mouse over macros and use some sort of key combination while hovering over the raid frame. I believe most healers prefer and recommend the mouse over method so that’s what I went with.

I have a Naga with 7 of 12 usable buttons on the side (I have big hands and can’t contort to hit the others) and a Nostromo (which I’m still getting used to) on which I can use almost every button comfortably. I then went through the spells I’ve been using and those I think might come in handy and grouped them up.

Mouse Over Targeted – Main Usage: Holy Shock, Holy Light, Divine Light, Flash of Light, Holy Radiance, Eternal Flame, Cleanse

Mouse Over Targeted – Support Type: Hand of Purity, Hand of Freedom, Hand of Salvation, Hand of Sacrifice, Hand of Protection, Lay on Hands

Non-Targeted – Main Usage: Light’s Hammer, Light of Dawn, Divine Plea, Divine Protection, Divine Shield, Crusader Strike

Non-Targeted – Support Type: Devotion Aura, Avenging Wrath, Holy Avenger, Divine Favor, Guardian of the Ancient King

So my thought was to bind each group separately to the Naga buttons using the Nostromo button as a modifier. So the way this works is I can cast group 1 with the Naga and no modifier, group 2 with Naga + Nostormo 06 bound to control, etc.

I end up with all 4 groups bound to key combinations of the Nostromo and Naga and I just have to learn which is which. In game I’ve tried just about every raid frame addon and I kind of like Grid + Clique the best so far with Vuhdo a close second. I think I ended up where you were going in your Tweets to me.

Now to my questions.

Does this sound like a good setup? I hear people talk about their favorite raid frames all the time, but no one explains how they use it, what’s connected to it, what keys they are hitting and why, etc.

How do you move? I’ve bound the Nostromo thumb pad to wasd (with strafe not turn) but it feels very slow and clunky. I primarily used the mouse + both mouse buttons to move before with wasd used just a bit in combat for minor adjustments. But if I use my mouse to move I have to take the pointer off the raid frames which means I can’t cast anymore. When I need to cast again I have to find the cursor on the screen, which isn’t easy in some fights, and get it back to the raid frame meaning I’ve stopped moving again. So I tend to stand in a single spot, cast cast cast, move with the mouse – no casting – to find a new spot, then find my cursor and start casting again. In high movement fights I tend to have low hps. Is that just the way paladins are? Is there a good binding setup for Holy Shock/Light of Dawn so I can at least cast something on the move?

Week 25 TWoWoW Least Favorite Profession

Molsan – FIRST AID

Sláinte – Inscription


Juuno – Archy

Strumpet – Inscription

Tansattia – LW

Jellad – Feeshing

Mystery Man – Drool Crapping



I was so excited about the TSM info that I forgot about the 30 weeks!

First Aid.

At least you can collect usless stuff with archaeology.

Third time’s a charm, right?

After thinking about this for a bit, I’d like to change my answer to Archaeology.  The question is “least favorite” not “least useful”.  At least I can ignore First Aid.

I’m not sure what I was thinking to say that a basically useless profession, First Aid, is worse than the grind to get a Crawling Claw.  I think, possibly, that I have a memory blockage caused by the trauma from digging for it.

— Professor “just buy a Sandstone Drake on the AH” Baloku




Oh. Um…geez, I don’t know. I guess inscription because it causes Molsan so much consternation.

Week 26 TWoWoW Your /played value


Yes!! Thank you to the Strumpets

Call from Strumpet

Email from Baloku

Loved the info on the new TSM, thanks.

A question about Battle Pets with TSM: how do I query a market value for them?

The undermine journal has good info for pets:

…quality and breeds and levels oh my!?

Is there is a way to have TSM price my pets intellegently.


Blizzcon Tip #6

Smile more and give everyone a hug. No room for H8rs.

… and Molsan says: Smile for pictures! We will be there with our Canons!!


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
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In the forty-fifth World of Warcraft podcast episode, we make appointments for patch 5.4 and the next expansion, the Dark Below. We cover the release of TradeSkillMaster 2.0 and reveal tips and tricks, and explain Groups, Operations, formulas, math, and even a quick and dirty setup to get you started with making gold using the latest version of TSM. We get all wireless with our peripherals, visit some place called “Funder” Island, and address additional WoW etiquette questions. We cover the Thirty Weeks of World of Warcraft’s least favorite dungeon, and we ask that, no matter what, you refrain from jumping in the pool.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

August 27th!!!

Sláinte’s dentist appointment OR 5.4

New Expansion Name Announced!

The Dark Below… Emerald Dream or Burning Legion?

Bank Donations

Thank you ASHAYO!!

TSM 2.0

Change is scary! Nothing works!!


Accounting, Additions, Auctioning, Crafting, Mailing, Shopping, and Warehousing


Create groups as you used to… “Enchanting” or “Cata Gems Rare Uncut”


Module Operations / Options -> Default Operation Tab -> Set to “Post”

Now, create an “operation” to make use of your groups

Scenario 1 – Glyphs

OMG The Formulas!


General Tips

Exit WoW and log in… if WoW crashes, your changes are lost

Use the TSM software… force update, log off/on to WoW to see changes

If you use an addon updater, override TSM UJ and TSM Wowuction to force 2.0+ update

The Quick and the Dirty

Create a global group and a default auction operation

Assign operation to group and you’re done

What Effects will TSM 2.0 Have on the Market?

AH savvy players will make more gold?

Casual gold-makers left out?


Logitech K800 and M510 both work with my KVM!!

Was able to program the M510 buttons just like my G500

Strumpet – Etiquette question

Thunder Island

More like FUNder Island

Mystery Man, Buy Gear VM

TWoWoW Week 24 – Favorite Cataclysm Dungeon

Sláinte – Halls of Origination

Molsan – Lost City of the Tol’vir


St Elsewhere  

I enjoyed what you guys had to say last week regarding player housing. I think it would be really cool to decorate your “home” with in-game trophies, e.g., old gear sets and legendary weapons. I have a similar idea: give players the opportunity to obtain mounts, titles, and gear that is specific to each xpac, e.g., Atiesh, the Amani War Bear, and <Hand of A’dal>. These things don’t give you an advantage in future game play, but from a nostalgic sense they are invaluable. As someone who started playing in 3.1, every time I see a player with the Corrupted Ashbringer I can tell immediately that said player was around during the old days of WoW, saw things that I never will, and probably has a wealth of stories to share. As more “old timers” leave the game, there are fewer examples of xpac-specific gear/mounts/titles. Sadly, that means that new players may never have their curiosity piqued by creative designs of yesteryear.

My favourite Cataclysm dungeon was Well of Eternity. It had fun mechanics and great lore! “Illidan!!! What are you DOING?!!?!”


Mildrid (Earthen Ring) / Svander (Dark Iron)

Favorite Cataclysm Dungeon:

Tomb of the Cybermen in Uldum Highlands.  Love the mechanics on the fight where you have to keep replacing the well fed buff, and the other fight where you have to trigger 5 cut scenes in the correct order.  Also great that they got unmistakable voice acting by Shia LaBeouf for the final boss Twain Mark IV.



Throne of Tides Beautiful and fun.


Still no luck on getting my audio set up — hopefully next week.

In the meantime, here’s three haikus while you wait:

Week 23

Three months without WoW

while sowing my last wild oats

Booze, Broads, Debauch’ry

Week 20

Green Robot Chicken.

Flawless Mechanical Stone…

Why you don’t appear???

Week 14

Dispel! Dispel! GHARRR!

Horridon is HORRIBLE!

Raid teams slowly die…










I kinda hate all dungeons so I’ll pick the one with Raz. Or the Well of Eternity one only cuz I could destroy meters on the last boss. Either one. Whatever.

Singing Sunflower Name revealed!

TWoWoW Week 25 – Your least favorite profession

Call from Jean


Fifth 90! No Quintessential Quintet achieve, though, since I leveled TWO priests. #sadtrombone


Hey BS crew!

First off, let me state that it will be an absolute crime if you don’t name your Singing Sunflower “MolSUN”.  Not only is it a fitting tribute to an awesome co-host and BFF, but also the irony of juxtaposing the sunflower, which is all about renewal and positivity, with Molsan’s generally sardonic outlook on things is pure pet-naming gold.

Also, if you have a disgusting oozeling and fail to name it “Dan Gooey”  I will uninstall WoW, move to Canada, buy a horse and stop bothering people.

On a similar note:  I am somewhat of a pet naming enthusiast, and though I’m humble about it, I can’t deny that I’m kind of a “big deal” on my server.  I tend to give my pets names that reflect either their physical appearance or general abilities.  For example, my Emperor Crab is named “Crabface McPinch” and my Anubisath Idol proudly wears the moniker “Dogface Manbody”  I was recently attempting to name my Kun Lai Runt “Mr Smashy” and I was denied.  Apparently the prefix “Mr.” is used in several popular euphemisms referring to several popular body parts that Blizzard deems sexual in nature.  It didn’t bother me until I remembered that “Mr Wiggles” was one of my Blizzard-named pets.  I submit to you that “Mr. Wiggles” is far more provocative than “Mr. Smashy”.  As a little experiment, I attempted to name my pet biscuit-enhanced chicken “Enourmous Cöck” and was successful.  I swear I don’t know what Blizz is thinking sometimes


Big Steve

<Clan of Darkness>

Earthen Ring US

Strupmet Achievement-VM


Questions about mouse over macros and Naga and Nostormo

I really love listening to the show because it has changed the way I play and the way I feel about the game. Up until a few weeks ago (when I found your show) I tended to race to max level and race to grind gear. I thought that’s what I needed to do and I needed to stay caught up with my raid team even though we are just a casual group of friends who raid twice a week. Once there, as I am now, I tend to just work the AH to make gold. I never experienced the game content outside the raids and heroics. I never cared about lore, secondary professions, achievements, pets, mounts, etc.

Listening to you two discuss the game and how you play has made me interested in those other parts. I thank you for that.


Abbish – Aerie Peak Alliance

iTunes Review

coorslights – Sorry

At first I really enjoyed this podcast, but with the host change, meh, not so much. Not a fan.

Sláinte Blizzcon Tip #5

Don’t jump into the pool… No matter what they are giving away.

Pools are for fools!!


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
Molsan Method:



In the forty-fourth World of Warcraft podcast episode, Blizzard binds epic weapons to your account and if you’re trying to get your character LFR-ready, just buy some gear already. We continue to hold each other accountable while we ponder dungeon and raid chatting etiquette. We try to convince ourselves that it’s better to use and display loot from Blizzcon than to sell it all, we explain why the tank role in LFR is tops, and give the hard sell on why Flex Raiding matters. We talk more hardware: video cards, keyboards, and mice… oh my! We toss out our fourth Blizzcon tip, but not before we determine the longest break we’ve ever taken from WoW for our Thirty Weeks of World of Warcraft.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

Patch 5.4 BoA Epics

Why not make every item in the game BoA?

Should Sláinte buy gear

Chatting Etiquette

Are you allowed to type in chat while in a raid or dungeon because nobody responds during fights

Holding Sláinte Accountable

How is the “Name Sláinte’s Singing Sunflower Pet” contest going?

Rubmabellah Has an Idea (Audio)

Guild Bank Donation / Molsan Method Update

Where are we with this?

Holding Sláinte Accountable II

Murkablo Blizzcon pet card giveaway!! Who won?!?

What We Did with Blizzcon Goodies


LFR Trifecta!

Sláinte has healed, dps and now tanked MSV.

ToT Horridon




Mystery Man Agrees that Flex Raiding is Awful (Audio)


NVidia 650 is awesome… when the fan is not broken

Picked up the Logitech K800… but what about my G15?

Now looking for a wireless gaming mouse… Yes, I said WIRELESS

TWoWoW Week 23 What’s the longest you’ve been away from the game?

Sláinte – 2-3 months


January 2012 – September 2012

Tried playing other games

Participated in s4uc3d

Was SoR’d by none other than… Sláinte






Mystery Man



@JoyPenny of Earthen Ring and Draenor

wk 23: The longest I have gone without playing is a year. I initially started playing on my husband’s account, and he chose to stop his subscription to focus on studying for an exam. (this was all before we were married) Eventually I just couldn’t take it anymore, and so I started my own account. 7 months and 1 marriage later, I was able to use the Scroll of Resurrection to coerce him back into the game.

That being said, I do take a Wowcation  every year when I go into Crafting SweatShop Mode for the holidays. Also whenever anything breaks, I am very quick to boycott until it’s fixed. Maybe that makes me flighty or maybe I’m just a brat, but if the game doesn’t feel right, I just can’t play.

wk 22: First I need to say that I name ALL of my pets. I tend to favor names of past family pets, punny names like Kaity, my Little K.T., and old man names like George, my Blossoming Ancient.

My favorite pet to run with is my Dark Phoenix Hatchling. She’s not my highest level or my best battler or most rare… but she’s the one I Most enjoy hanging out with and seeing. She’s named Cramoisi, which is literally “Crimson” or a Purple hued red.

wk 20: Most sought after loot is the Ashes of Al’ar. I only have it on a Tournament Realm and the pink and orange streamers are my favorite part.

wk 19: Resto Druid, with Misty Monk as a close second. I do NOT Ever play in those weird animal stances with the exception of my purple birdie, Orca for swimming, and Emergency Monster Tree. Even when I have to DPS I am a Sparkly Elf and not a Boomkin. ew. But I am a healer to the core and enjoy all healing classes.

wk 17: Fav Profession is Herbalism on my Druid, and Fishing on everyone else. Herbing is so relaxing, just flying around gathering, never messing with mounts… I love it.

wk 18: yes, everyone is right, it’s the people. But for me in particular, it’s getting to play with my husband. The game is the most fun for me when we are playing together (He Tanks, I heal). And this impact extends into our lives from listening to podcasts together to buying one another things for gaming to just spending time together… Instead of the Spouse Aggro that so many talk about, Warcraft enriches our relationship and provides us with something very special.




Dude, sorry to hear about your back. Also sorry you are recording tonight. My answer for #30WoW: I’ve never taken a break from WoW other than vacations,so I guess my answer is Ethereal Soul Trader

TWoWoW Week 24 – Favorite Cataclysm Dungeon


Sláinte’s Blizzcon Tip #4

Go to ATM early.


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
Molsan Method:



In the forty-second World of Warcraft podcast episode, we double ding Double Agents and recap the greatest and worst challenge of all, our race to level 90, we examine the stress that the game can sometimes put on our in and out of game relationships, we reveal our slash played and gold made during the challenge, we explain what a monkey run is, we offer up another Blizzcon tip, and we try really, really hard to pick a favorite battleground for our Thirty Weeks of World of Warcraft.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

Worst challenge ever…

It affected us negatively.

Trying to find the positive.

Remember, it’s just a game.

The Negative Side of Relationships in WoW

What negative experiences can carry over into IRL?

Burnout on the game or the stress of maintaining real player relationships in an MMO?

Call from Strumpet

Blacksmithing and Whack-a-moe with Fishing pole

Leveling Tips once 85

In MoP you can pick herbs/mine your own ore from 1-600.

Pre-Announcement Mini Board Bets

Who has more gold on their person?

Who has more/less /played?

Call from Satyr

Kicked Out of His Alliance Guild


Stormstout Brewery up to first boss

Snooter28: “I was rested when we started and was averaging 450-500k experience roughly every 3 minutes. With completing 20 runs an hour that is 10 million experience in an hour and 1 level up in a little under 2 hours.”

Mini-Monkey Runs!!

Blood DK is for Grind!

Slingtail Treeleapers and Slingtail Mudseers in Jade Forest for The Path of War

Mystery Caller

We were doing leveling challenge wrong and unscientific like

Molsan is wrong about comparing things to Brawler’s Guild

Things Don’t Feel Legendary – Benediction

Board Best Results

Slash Played

Gold in Bags

Secret from Episode 40

For the Alliance!!

TWoWoW Week 21 – Favorite Battleground


Vanilla Alterac Valley


They all suck






TWoWoW Week 22 – Your favorite Non-Combat or Hunter Pet




Molsan & Slainte,

Bitter & Salty is, hands down, the most enjoyable WoW podcast out there, especially for those who play it “our way.”

I’ve been playing since launch, most of the time in a friends & family guild, which has now dwindled to just two of us.  I miss the social aspect of a friendly, casual guild and your show has made me feel like I’m in <Bitter and Salty> even though I’m far away on Kirin Tor.  So like a few recent audience members, I’ve decided to start a character on Earthen Ring.  Looks like you need a pandaren warrior for the Stay Classy achievement, and that is a class I need to learn.  So I’ll leave my druids at home and Weian (Way-anne) would be thrilled for the opportunity.

Also, I hate it when Mom & Dad fight about levelling challenges, so please hug a little bit in your next pre-show.

Strumpet Makes a Best Friend

Blizzcon Tip #2

Drink water Always Be Drinking

Bring water bottles… small ones


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
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In the forty-first World of Warcraft podcast episode, we share our thoughts on patch 5.4’s Proving Grounds, we explain how a weekend off can be both a good and bad thing when going for the Double Agent achievement, we still dislike cut scenes, we get double experience from cross-faction pet battles, we go over the rules for Achievement Roulette, we learn about Blood Tap for Death Knights, and we are all about our favorite loot for our Thirty Weeks of World of Warcraft.

Bitter and Salty is brought to you weekly by Molsan and Sláinte.

Patch 5.4: Proving Grounds

Darren asks: What are your thoughts on the new Proving Grounds being add the game.

Double Agent Challenge

Call from Saytr69

Weekend off… Did we survive?

Leveling 80-81 with Pet Battles

Cut Scenes

Now I HAVE to watch them

Twilight Highlands (Snooze) and MoP (Double Snooze)

Achievement Roulette

Rules coming soon!!

TWoWoW This Week Your favorite or most sought after loot and whether you got it?




Quel’Serrar –

Quel’Serrar is the final quest reward from a questline that begins with <Foror’s Compendium of Dragon Slaying>, an item that can be rarely found in Dire Maul inside of Dusty Tomes and dropped from the various bosses.









TWoWoW Next Week – Your favorite Battleground.


Rhett (and fiance, Sinamone)

Hello gentleman,

I’m writing in to report an achievement, my tauren hunter earned this weekend. He got the “Represent!” achievement for acquiring a tabard. Why is this a big deal? Because the tabard in question is the official Bitter & Salty guild tabard! Not only did I get my level 1 toon in the guild, my fiancé also joined as well. (She has a non-official achievement of her own to report as she, as a level 1 BLOOD ELF died to fire damage in Thunder Bluff, wrap your head around that one)

Thanks to Strumpet for the invites!

Have a great show guys!

Guignol – B&S guild Earthen Ring US

Here’s an explanation for Blood Tap and why its so useful for a blood DK.

Almost all of your moves are dependent on one of three types of resource runes which gradually refresh over time.  There exists a fourth type of wildcard called a “death rune”.

Blood Tap is used to game the resource system and give you instant death runes so you can cast the abilities you want to be casting like death strike, blood boil, or death siphon without waiting.

Charge up the Blood Tap by casting  filler spells dependent on runic power like rune strike and death coil.  As soon as you have over 5 charges on your blood tap, smack that button and then presto you can then hit one of your nukes without waiting.

By maximizing the amount  of times you can cast the spells which heal you, your DK can be well nigh invincible.  My lvl 80 DK has solo’d heroic 5 mans like Pit of Saron and a heavy use of blood tap to ready death strike and death siphon is my main survival tool.

PS. also reforge everything you can to mastery once you start getting gear that can be reforged to really pimp your death strike’s absorption shield

Blizzcon Tips

Tip #1 of 15 : Bring your own coffee maker.

Pet Giveaway

Pandaren Fire Spirit – July 19th @ 10:00am

Rules: Mention @bitterandsalty with pancakes, waffles, or french toast for an entry into the pet giveaway contest (US realms only).


Clips of intro and outro music taken from “Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix)” by spinningmerkaba

Additional clips of music taken from “Daft Punk Get Lucky (Mexican Monkey Mix)” by Magic Finger

Contact Info
Phone: 413 BIT SALT or 413 248 7258
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